An Outrage!

[Justified]

I am a fan of 3rd Bass. The first time I heard them was on Rikers Island on Video Music Box circa 1988-89. It was the Steppin' to the A.M. Video, the beats were fresh and the rapping was cool. Serch can dance his ass off...I did not see them as "White Rappers," I saw them as "for real" rappers, color had nothing to do with their music.
The Bestie Boys are kind of corny, they were/are mocking rapping as with 3rd Bass...they were the real McCoy. I think one of the reasons that the Bestie Boys did not want 3rd Bass to ride with them, is because 3rd Bass would have stole the show.

Eminem is another example of a fine rapper, he is one of the best in my eyes and again, color has nothing to do with Eminem's music. So, why do we have this "White Rappers" show? If you can rap...you can rap, regardless of you are white or black.

The "White Rappers" show is making fools out of whites. I guess they needed a "Front Man" to bring the show home and that is why they choose Serch to host it. As one person mentioned, I could not see Serch taking this serious....even though he is being very professional about hosting it.

I'm white, I was born and raised in East Harlem NY, I am not a huge Hip Hop fan (I'm more in to old school rock). I started out as a Graffiti Writer back in the 70's and 80's and somehow rap and break dancing got connected with Graffiti. When Graffiti first started, rap music did not exist and if it did, it was on the DL.

The bottom line is, I think the show is an outrage and I think Whites from the tough areas of urban environments will see it the same way I do....a diss to white folks.

I watch it for the shock value and nothing more.

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[EastCoastHoney]

It's interesting that you view the show as an "outrage" and a "diss to white people", yet you still choose to watch the show for the "shock value".  If something is offensive to me, I want absolutely nothing to do with it.  I believe Serch explained the concept of the show as an opportunity for a white rapper with skills to get exposure, learn about Black culture and hip/hop culture, and in addition to winning money, possibly get discovered as the next great "white rapper" since Eminem is primarily the only white rapper getting props now, (even though there are other good white rappers now like Paul Wall and Bubba Sparxxx).  Serch explained that it's difficult for a white person to be taken seriously as a real rap artist and it's hard for white rappers to get into the game, and this show is just one vehicle to gain exposure.  I think the show is primarily for entertainment, but if someone truly has skills, they will stand out, and people will take notice.   It also kind of shows who is real and who is fake...who really understands true hip hop and what it's all about, and who is just "faking the funk".  Sorry that you think the show is an outrage, but I think if you really feel that strongly, then you should change the channel or just turn the t.v. off.    Peace. 

[Justified]

I don't think you get the gist. What does black culture have to do with rap music? 3rd Bass had no problem being taken seriously nor did Eminem.

Being I was raised in the ghetto, I see it as a diss to white people. The only people that might not see it as a diss to whites is actual whites that live in the sticks and act like something they are not. Like a whigger for example.

It makes me sick seeing non-urban whites trying to act black...with their pants hanging off their butts and talking like a black. It's disgusting!

Most people don't even know where the wearing of the pants half off your butt came from. I will tell you one source of where that style came from. It came from Jail/Prison. When you got locked up, they would take your belt and shoe laces. Alas, everyone was walking around with their pants hanging off their butts. Then in the jails, most of the prison greens (not orange jumpsuits) were one size fits all. That also caused the pants to hang off your butt. In state prison during the 70's and before, when an inmate hung their pants off their butt, it meant they were willing to give up their ass for whatever. It was more or less a mating call.

Somehow, this made it to the ghetto and it became some sort of a style or code. But, enough of the lesson.

We all watch things for the shock value.

For example... the show Fear Factor, when they are made to eat disgusting and gross things, like monkey balls, I still want to watch the outcome no matter how shocking it is. Just like this corny rappers show, I want to see the outcome and see how much of a fool these "White Rappers" make out of themselves.

You see, only a real white from "the hood" would see the show as a diss to whites.

Keep it tight bro.

[EastCoastHoney]

Wow, Justified, your last post is full of a lot of ignorance...I'm actually kind of shocked, and really don't know where to begin.  First of all, you ask what does Black culture have to do with rap music.  Are you freaking kidding me with that question?!  You can't be serious.  Where do you think hip hop and rap originated from?  Who do you think the founders and forefathers of rap music are?  What culture do you think it originated from??  The reason 3rd Bass and Eminem have no problem being taken seriously as rappers is because even though they are white, they also truly understand, accept, and embrace Black culture and Black people.  This, along with their skills on the mic, gives them legitimacy in the rap world.   

Next, you say that the only people who may not see the show as a diss to white people are actual whites that live in the sticks and act like something they are not, like "whiggers".  As far as I am concerned, wigger or whigger is an offensive term.  It's a play on the word n*gger, which is extremely offensive.  If you can call someone a wigger, then you probably also call other people n*ggers, which is totally unacceptable.   

Next you say that it makes you sick seeing non-urban whites trying to act black...with their pants hanging off their butts and "talking like a Black".  Here's a NEWS FLASH-- the majority of Black people do not walk around with their pants hanging off their butts.  It's primarily the young, urban youths who do this, so it is not a "Black thing".  And, what is "talking like a Black"?  I know a lot of Black people, and they all talk differently, so exactly what do you mean?  Do you mean talking slang?  If so, then here's another news flash-- It's not only Black people who use slang and street lingo.  Members of all cultures use slang and street lingo from time to time.  It's 2007.  Wake up!  (By the way, I am well aware that the whole baggy pants/pants falling off your ass trend started in the prisons, but thanks anyway for the history lesson). 

It's true that most of us like things for "shock value", but seriously, why give ratings and support to a show that you think "disses" your people? 

Finally, since I am not a "real white from the hood" (as you put it), maybe that's why we disagree about the show.  I just had to respond because I felt like some of your comments were a bit narrow-minded and borderline racist.  This was even more shocking coming from a so-called 3rd Bass fan!  Anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree.  Since we'll both be watching the show, it will be interesting to see how the season plays out.  By the way, what are your personal thoughts on Persia (the fat white chick) who is supposedly from the hood?  Just curious, since she appears to be "one of your people" (again, as you put it).  Peace. 

[Justified]

All the so called "rappers" are whack and that fat chick is from Far Rockaway. Not Spanish Harlem. She is just another poser.

I really don't want to debate with you. I have seen it all and done it all. I don't try to act like someone I am not...like these "rappers" from the sticks.

The way the South Bronx is today is nothing like it was in the 70's and 80's. In fact, the "ghettos" of NYC are no longer "ghettos. " You can walk through Harlem at 2am with a gold chain on and the chances of you getting vamped are slim to none. Everything has changed. There are no real hardships compared to when rap was first starting out.

Nowadays, these "white rappers" wake up one morning, turn their hat to the side, buy a pair of baggy pants and all of a sudden they are "gangstas." It's a joke.

I no longer want to bicker about this pettiness on the internet. Because, we will just be going around in circles.

Enjoy the show.

[EastCoastHoney]

You're right...we would just be going around in circles.  Like I posted earlier, we can agree to disagree.  Oh, and I WILL enjoy the show.  I look forward to Monday evenings.  Peace. 

[andyfilius]

no one group of people "own" hip hop. Hp hop is about creativity and expression, any human being can possess these things. It's fun. The show is fun. Serch reps the true school with his critiques, insights, and the guests he brings on. The fact is they realize color is meaningless, but you can still say seeing someone who happens to be caucasion in the hip hop world is rare. The show is simply having some fun, as hip hop is allowed to do, with a concept. Not life or death here. Keep it up Serch. I think the show is great. entertaining and doesn't take itself too seriously, just like good hip hop should. Battles are settled rhyming, not with guns like 50 cent or some crap out there today.

[Justified]

Amen to that!

But, I still see it a "humorous spoof" about whites. When they brought in House Of Pain...I was glad. Because those cats are another Prime Example of true rappers. Alas, their color has nothing to do with dick.

They don't need to know about "Black Culture" to rap and they have Platinum records....I wonder why?

In my eyes the best rapper is Eminem. But, then you have corny white rappers like Ice. But, corny rappers does not have anything to do with color.

Black rappers come a dime a dozen. So, when a good "white" rapper pops up...he gets recognized.

I think 3rd Bass could have made it alot bigger. I feel they were underrated for their time. It had to do with personal differeances that brought them down.

I still feel the show is still a spoof to whites and if Serch was not hosting it...I would not watch it.

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