offensive enough for you?

[kingLG]

 a Black Man in a cage, introduced as a "prop" to be "used in any way" they (the white rappers) want to use him?!! Now I don't blame Serch only; I also blame Bushwick Bill himself for playing the clown.

[EastCoastHoney]

Point taken.  However, not for nothing, Bushwick Bill has always played the "clown" even when he was with the Geto Boys.  He has used his dwarfism as a joke to get paid and it's made him famous.  His antics are nothing new....he just happened to be a guest on the White rapper show this time. 

[MistaJohn]

I think people read too much into things these days - hell, it was probably Bushwick's idea.

[kingLG]

 thanks for appreciating my point, East Coast.  With or without dwarfism, this is still a Black Man in a cage, introduced as a "prop" to be "used". Since you brought up his height, do you think it might be possible that the LPA may also take issue with his circus act last night???

 It's one thing for a man like Bill to call himself "Chucky" and be good-natured about his condition. It is quite another for someone else to cage him like an animal, and present him in the way that Mr. Berrin did.

 But my original concern was not about Bill's stature but his race. Here we have a white showman (Mr. Berrin) introducing a Black man on stage the way he did.

 East Coast and John, you may want to research one Ota Benga, a Black Man (who, coincidentally, was short-not because of a congetical disorder but because he was of the Khoi people who are naturally short-) who also was caged by white folk.

 The "white rapper show" is a huge disappointment, and I think it's high time that this show STEPS OFF!

[HERBALZ]

kingLG, I also agree with MistaJohn in that you should not read too much into it. Remember that during the 1st challenge the white rappers were tricked into thinking they would model with women when it turned out to be dogs - animals. During the 2nd challenge, they just wanted to trick them again. Since the 1st ended up being animals - dogs, they knew the rappers would automatically assume more animals.... which one could it be now... could be a lion, tiger, etc. ,no it's Bill. That's all I thought about when I watched it. Not once did I think about racism so why drag that into this?

[MistaJohn]

Serch is not going to get involved with anything with even a tinge of racism, period - the entire premise of The White Rapper Show is based on white people respecting the hip-hop culture.

Like Serch, I am a white guy married to a black woman - I'm super-sensitive to race issues because of it. In addition, Serch like most people on this board is from an era where that racist shit doesn't fly.

I guarantee Serch would never allow a racist idea on the set. Bushwick Bill's persona is that he's a "psychopathic killer" - I'm willing to bet that the cage was his idea.

[jorge kluney]

I guarantee Serch would never allow a racist idea on the set.

I'd like to agree with you, but I don't think Serch is that innocent with this stuff.
On one of his unreleased tracks he says something about "my lips have never touched the lips of a white woman *except my mom*/ cuz white women are bitches"

Then he tries to justify the comment by saying that it's not racist.  The problem is, the only justification he gives is the explicit statement "but I'm not being racist"....
sure he's not  :roll:

And that's not the 1st time.
In earlier interviews he made comments about Tony D that were directly addressing Tony's skin color. 

[MistaJohn]

I'm not saying that he isn't a self-loathing white - I'm saying that Serch isn't going to permit alluding to a black man as a animal by putting Bushwick in a cage.

"Reverse racism" if you want to call it that, is present on the show and in Serch's lyrics. Personally, I don't view that as racism - it's catch-up from 450 years of imbalance - us whites are lucky that we're getting away with just a few jokes about not having rhythm.

[jorge kluney]

I'm not saying that he isn't a self-loathing white - I'm saying that Serch isn't going to permit alluding to a black man as a animal by putting Bushwick in a cage.


I see what you're saying.

, I don't view that as racism - it's catch-up from 450 years of imbalance - us whites are lucky that we're getting away with just a few jokes about not having rhythm.


Gotta disagree with you here.  I'm Irish.... I don't think you can trace the Irish back to playing a prevalent role in the slave trade or the owning of slaves.  But even if one could....the argument is kind of flat.  Racism is racism regardless of the position it comes from.  I don't take to kindly to Serch calling all white women B$#%.... my deceased, loving mom happened to be white; so does my wonderful wife.  You make a generalised comment about a group based off of their race, it's racism regardless of how one wants to rationalize it.

America is not the only place that 'utilized' slaves from the slave trade.  Numerically we get overshadowed by South America and Saudi Arabia.... they had by far more than we had. 
Why are we lucky?  Do you mean as opposed to a violent response from the black community?  That we should be thankful they are not trying to kill us/harm us...etc?  Again, I don't get the reasoning. 
It's a shame of what happened.  But you can't just blame europeans.  African rulers became dependant upon material goods from certain european nations.  When the source they used to purchase these goods dwindled they turned to their own people.... then they sold them.
Shame across the board.  But not a practice that was unique to only Africans.  And not a practice that was utilized solely by 'white' folk.

I think I see with where you are going with that.... and I think you're doing it for noble reasons (nothing wrong with assisting people in being more understanding).... but I think the premises are off.

[EastCoastHoney]

I agree with you, Mista John.  I don't know Serch personally, but he has always struck me as a person who is very sensitive and understanding as far as race issues and racism.  I don't view him as a "self-loathing white", but as a white man who "keeps it real" and is not ashamed to speak up about racism, white supremacy, and predjudice.  A lot of white people (not all) get very sensitive and overly defensive whenever issues of race/slavery/oppression are brought up, but the truth is the truth, and we all know very well the history of this country.  I really don't see Serch condoning anything blatantly racist on the White rapper show.  In fact, it does seem like one of the concepts of the show is to give the rappers a history lesson and an education of not only hip hop culture, but Black culture as well.  And, if Bushwick Bill thought it was racist to be put inside a cage, then as a self-respecting Black man he should have refused to go inside the cage!  Personal responsibility for one's actions should be a daily guide.  Peace. 

[andyfilius]

the Bushwick Bill thing was just for dramatic effect. If people are reading into this the caged animal thing then you're thinking too much. Hip hop is fun, this show is trying to prove it.

Man, this weeks show was interesting. That blingy girlie song and video those guys did was wack. They are just copying what they think is hot. At least the old school track tried to be original. The video was too corny though. None of these people are being that original on the show, there's no real unique personality. Just everyone wearing the baggiest clothes possible and trying to talk with a slur. Serch absolutely saves the show! he brings a respect and authority that is needed with these clowns. I love watching and listeing to his comments, he's a great host.

Once again noone mentioned Kwame was in the show!! Man, the great guests just keep on coming! Though I notice he didn't say one word in the final edit. Must've not had much interesting to say. Still great that Serch is bringing out the true school hip hop heads.

That fasion show was wack too. None of the people really found a style, they just went out and bought new casual baggy clothes. No one is stepping up and coming with something unique.

Maybe this week...

[PL]

I agree - the sogs and videos were kind of wack.   Most of them seem to be acting.......OC's "Times Up" comes to mind.  The cameos have definitely been a nice surprise.  Great to see Serch on the comeback.

[jericho]

I didn't think the last show was good overall. The fashion show with the dogs was stupid. But even more stupid were the music videos and the songs. The one with Bushwick Bill was better because of him. But the other was total garbage. That hook was awful, "She's a stunner, she's a stunner...."

What I remember the most was when Serch scolded at Sully for quitting. He said something to the effect that you can't quit and if you do, it will eat at you for the rest of your life.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this but when he said that, I thought about Pete Nice. I mean isn't that what Pete essentially did when his solo career and record label flopped ? He quit and left the business altogether. Now he may legitamate reasons for quitting but I bet deep down he has some regret about not recording again. But maybe that's just me thinking Serch sending an indirect message.

[andyfilius]

I watched Serch's speech a few times, because I wasn't sure I got all of it the first time. The man spoke some nice words there, he is saving the show. Agreed the fashion show idea did not come off well at all, they didn't show any personality during it. Also the videos were horrid. Not one of those people understood how to build a video, or get creative shots, it was just the whole group standing in front of that brick wall from the beginning. The show was was weak, but Serch's speeches were great, the man is intelligent. Those kids don't get half of what he said.

Could have been Pete Nice related, but who knows. We'll need to get Pete back to ask him!